[mario]

And once again the people at microsoft amaze me with the speed they come up with new protocols. Lately it's been an average of 3 protocols if not more...
As i was checking by mistake the new windows live messenger , and tracing packets i noticed it sent:

VER 0 MSNP14 MSNP13 CVR0\r\n

but the reply only included MSNP13 which means that MSNP14 is not supported server side but it is supported client side , which means microsoft are planning the release of a new protocol?!

Important Notice:
Could it be the protocol that allows you to communicate with yahoo contacts ?! is that it's use?! or do they just want to annoy developpers again?!
Well i don't know just yet, but, i will try to find out more about this new protocol which probably should have changes in how the contact list is viewed (a new field for yahoo users maybe in the xml data?)

Just wanted to let u know that they have plans for a new protocol and it would be out soon :P

[psyko]

It has to be mario. Steve, Doggie, and myself were playing with Yahoo! beta 8 (which was just released like a few days ago) this morning (couldn't login into anything Yahoo! for quite a while, until I signed in fine), it supports the adding of contacts from Windows LCS. I added myself and I was able to send messages, but didn't receive them on the WLM side. So, I think it's going to be coming very soon!

[mario]

Some messenger servers are in fact experiencing downtime right now... WLM can't seem to get my membership lists ... so it's on our doorsteps :P i think the live domains will be coming real soon too.

[psyko]

I think you are right. :) Talk about one hell of a b-day suprise - hahaha it was the 19th, but still - tons of new things to play with! :beer:)!!!

And I just now noticed on the new Yahoo! Beta, they ported over the gleams like they did with MSN Spaces for Yahoo! 360 now. Seems like MS has been sharing some ideas, eh? :)

[mario]

They've been stealing ideas from each other for a long time now , at least they could say now that they're sharing them lol :P

[psyko]

Hahaha, yeah true. Anyways, looks like we might be down for a while here.

THIS JUST IN - A NEW BUILD ALREADY!

http://forum.mess.be...topic=17832&hl=

[mario]

They must have stumbled on a few bugs in the earlier one , it's hard to get yahoo! integration working properly from the 1st release hehe :P of course u will see some enhancements in graphics and in that domain too i guess.

For now , enjoy the downtime and simply wait :P

[Dody]

Would this start the ability for add-ons for both WLM and yahoo? will the next generation of add-ons be compatible for both WLM & Yahoo? this is going to be fun... trying the new build, maybe the yahoo icon is there :D

[mario]

I don't think so really , wlm addons will stay as wlm addons but the only profit is that they can communicate with yahoo! users . The communication is probably represented this way :

WLM USER ==> Messenger Server [==> Translation And Redirection Server(between protocols)] ==> Yahoo Server ==> Yahoo User

The translation and redirection server might not exist if the handling and translation is done on the messenger server...

Note: a message coming from the a yahoo user will follow the same trajectory but in the opposite way. If the translation server does not exist , the Yahoo server will have to handle his function too.

This post has been edited by mario: 21 June 2006 - 08:33 PM

[psyko]

There's already a plugin system released for the Yahoo client as well. :)

http://developer.yahoo.com/messenger/

[mario]

Yes but a different system now isn't it , i mean it won't be the same language , not a common one between both clients.

This post has been edited by mario: 21 June 2006 - 09:09 PM

[Dody]

I am not sure what this will lead, increasing the WLM users or Yahoo users, depending on how it will go I guess the add-ons will follow that, in other words, if Yahoo get more users because of this, that might lead the developers to consider the Yahoo users and make something useful for them... especially when the new SDK for yahoo is out.

[mario]

No signs of yahoo integration yet , but i'm sure the whole downtime did not just happen for no reason :P Same thing : MSNP14 supported by the client, no sign of support on the server...
>>>VER 1 MSNP14 MSNP13 CVR0
<<<VER 1 MSNP13 CVR0

Just wanted to show a few things i've noticed in the WLM's text library about offline messages!:

20135, "The following message could not be delivered because you have exceeded the maximum number of messages per minute. Please try again later." (means 1 message/min = max)

20132, "This message was not sent because you don't have permission to send an offline message." (???!)

20131, "This message was not sent because it is too large for the user's offline message store." (offline messages limitation!)

20128, "This message was not sent because Offline Instant Messaging is not yet available in your region." (Some countries won't have it?!)

Important Note: There you go , these are a few VERY Important changes that this new wlm has!

Moreover in the type library!!!:

33008, "Two accounts were found for %1, so two separate contacts were added for this person."
33010, "Get help"
33013, "Yahoo! Messenger with Voice"
33014, "To add {33013} contacts, sign up for the {61143} Beta"
33015, "To add {33013} contacts, sign up for the {61143} Beta"
33002, "Add {33013} User"
33005, "Example: example@live.com, example@yahoo.com"
33007, "A friend on the {33013} network has added you to their Messenger List. To send instant messages to {33013} contacts, sign up for the {61143} Beta."
45235, "Yahoo! Messenger"

THIS SHOWS DEFINITELY THAT THE NEW CLIENT IS CAPABLE OF ADDING AND MESSAGING YAHOO USERS!! THE ONLY THING LEFT IS FOR MSNP14 TO BE TURNED ON SERVER-SIDE

Good luck everyone , i think u'll be both happy and sad at the same time :)

This post has been edited by mario: 21 June 2006 - 11:05 PM

[psyko]

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Brand new screenies from mario showing the new preparations for the Yahoo! WLM interop! :rock:

[mario]

Speeking protocol now :

NEW MSNP14 pre-discovered commands:

New Proxy Command FQY:
Example of adding a contact:
>>>ADL 42 61
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="steven" l="2" t="1"/></d></ml>
>>>ADL 43 61
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="steven" l="1" t="1"/></d></ml>FQY 44 49
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="steven"/></d></ml>
<<<ADL 42 OK
<<<ADL 43 OK
FQY 44 50
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="steven" /></d></ml>

which probably means "Forward Query Yahoo" (thanks to thesteve for figuring it out) , this actually seems to work but the other contact doesn't get a notification...

Edit: It seems that the handling is done on "messenger.hotmail.com" , wlm's main server , so it's our microsoft developpers who are doing the "translation" between yahoo and windows live messenger. this can be viewed by downloading the latest release of yahoo ! messenger! :) [Figured out by psycho]

Another thing the NLN command has been probably changed or removed , it definitely no longer interests the client the way it is.

This post has been edited by mario: 22 June 2006 - 02:20 AM

[psyko]

Well guys, according to mess.be the interop will go down in a few days. Let's keep our eyes peeled and post back if you find any new discoveries. :)

[Dody]

it should be soon yeah... getting ready to find something new :D

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[mario]

Alright :P Interop is here :

You get converted to the server after sending your passport ticket, the new server (muser2.messenger.hotmail.com supports MSNP14!)

Changes Spotted:
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- "RouteInfo: msnp://64.4.27.144/020002E9" sent along the initial profile message

- "ILN 41 NLN email@email.com 1 NICK 1615708204 %DPDATA% "

notice the "1" this probably represents if a contact is actually on the WLM part or the yahoo part , apparently 1 is for WLM users

As said before the adding is done by FQY:

FQY 48 67
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="email"/></d></ml>FQY 48 75
<ml><d n="yahoo.com"><c n="email" t="32" /></d></ml>

UUM , UBM are used respectively to send and receive messages from yahoo contacts , the format is similar to MSG on the switchboard with 2 extra parameters:

UUM 57 email@yahoo.com 32 1 135
the "32" is a constant , the 5th field is either 1 or 2

This post has been edited by mario: 13 July 2006 - 04:52 AM

[ZoRoNaX]

FQY isn't new in P14, I noticed it too on MSNP13

Edit 07/14:
I highly doubt that FQY stands for "Forward Query Yahoo". Because if they add new protocol commands for every other network they are going to support, the protocol will turn into a big mess. The way they set it all up now, allows Microsoft to add other networks without problems as they generalized everything (adding constants for other networks etc)

This post has been edited by ZoRoNaX: 14 July 2006 - 01:17 PM

[Jayz0r]

There are some changes in getting the address book.

When recieving SOAP data, there are some new fields. The type of yahoo users is "Email" and instead of the address being in "PassportName" it is in "Email".

When dumping the data to the servers you must specify t="32" for yahoo.